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these propagandists and political figures talk about issues. so let's first talk about religion. what was the vision of religion and the american cut to two shall order that was discussed at the time of the founding and how has it been simplified and used by the right wing? >> guest: it depends who you ask. they were founding fathers who are very religious. congress who believe this is going to be a christian nation and we needed the inspiration of god in the bible and our politics. i think patrick henry is a good example of a very religious founding father and that was one of the positions of the founding era. they were founding fathers who were not christian. they were ds or unitarians. there were some who were ds or unitarians who believed religion was sort of a good way to control. they didn't particularly care much about it was a nice thing. perhaps george washington and john adams fell into that category. expressing a religious doubt in their own writing, but did not try to slow it down in the public sphere. and then there's jefferson and not men who had three very lengthy debate in virginia a
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